Caryl Mastrisciana
Guest on Point of View with Marlin Maddoux
Topic: The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill
5-5-03

Marlin:
Caryl, good to have you.

Caryl:
Marlin thank you so much, it is wonderful to be on the show again.

Marlin:
You know Caryl, anytime I see people messing with children, the older I get, to see somebody mistreat a child or whatever, it enrages me. So your video, The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill, hit my hot button here.

Caryl:
Well it hit mine, this is exactly why I produced it, because I realized that the media had been keeping this kind of footage away from us. In fact, the information in The New Barbarians video was footage taken from over the last six years from Arab television. As the clip that you took explained earlier on, and you must be patient with the quality of it, the point is the content is so horrendously barbaric that I thought if I just showed the footage, you would just see that we are being seduced here in the West through the media, which is so pro-Palestinian or anti-Jewish, or anti-Israel, that we don't even get to see what is happening on a daily basis in the Middle East.

Marlin:
Caryl, you know as I looked at the way the Palestinians, and you zero in on that, are training their children, and you do draw the parallel to Adolf Hitler. Hitler trained a generation of young Germans that were able to do atrocities, that have no conscience whatsoever about them. They could kill people and then go on their way laughing and talking because there was no sense of wrong, and that is what I see in what they are doing to those kids.

Caryl:
Oh it is absolutely hideous. Do you remember the quote in there, the little piece, the footage of the little 14-year-old Palestinian boy, I believe his name was Mohammad. He was being trained, he was doing drawings of himself being strapped with explosives and was going to school to learn how to strap himself with explosives. He said yes he wanted to do that if it meant liberating Palestine and liberating the homeland for the Palestinians. Basically they said that they would continue to use children in this school, the teacher, the adults that were training these children, and the footage was right there in the background. He said that they will continue training these children to strap themselves with explosives and be human bombs until the Israelis moved out of what the Palestinians considered to be their land.

Kirby:
Caryl, one of the things that you said is that you were able to obtain a good deal of this from Arab television and some from the internet. So at least theoretically, some of our listeners, if they worked real hard, could get maybe some of these video pieces. But I suspect some of them would be hard to get a hold of, but even if you had them, the piece that I think is so helpful in your video is showing the translation. One of the images especially in my mind is what looks like a summer camp. It turns out that it is an assault course training camp. They are thrusting the microphone into the face of these very enthusiastic kids, and they could just as easily be saying, you know, I learned about Jesus today, I learned how to respect those in authority or whatever, but instead they were making statements like, "We're gonna kill the Jews," "We're going to push them into the land," and those kinds of things. The key is not just the footage but knowing what in the world is being said when you see those very disturbing pictures.

Caryl:
Exactly Kirby, and I think that another thing that I wanted to explain in the video, which I think is just packed with so much information, but one of the things that I wanted to explain was the history. Even the history has been so warped, and even explained some of our Christian literature supports the Palestinian view, that the lands belonged to the Arabs and all this kind of thing. Whereas this tiny little piece of land that is no larger than the state of New Jersey is all that is left from a much grander piece of land that was mandated to the Jews after the horrible behavior that they were dealt during the II World War. They were incarcerated in absolutely awful concentration camps, burned in incinerators, starved by the millions, you know the awful footage that we are all so familiar with in the thing that is called the Holocaust. The Arabs, in a little clipping I showed there, are taught today that the Holocaust didn't even exist.

Kirby:
That's right.

Marlin:
Caryl Matrisciana with us. Caryl, the way that you have taken and you have weaved together clips and so on showing how the children are taught by television cartoons, classes, training camps, and so on, zeroing in, you know as I mentioned, particularly on the children. Once these children are trained in that way, and they are training so many, there is absolutely no way, regardless of any kind of a highway to peace that they may come up with, there is no way to bring peace between Israel and the Palestinians, it won't happen.

Caryl:
No, it absolutely can't, and I think that is my concern, that we have an entire generation that is going to affect our whole civilization. Because while there are these sort of talks that appear to be taking place between Yasser Arafat, who is the head of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, we have Yasser Arafat in a public speech in July saying, "Kill a settler every day." That means Jewish settlers. "Shoot at the Jews everywhere, whoa to you if you let them reach their home safely or travel safely on the road. I want you to kill as many Jewish settlers as possible. Do not pay attention….." Now these are Arafat's words. "Do not pay attention to what I say to the media, the television, or public appearances. Pay attention only to the written instructions you receive from me. Kill a settler every day."

Marlin:
That is absolutely incredible.

Caryl:
Here we have him in that footage of him and Clinton promising peace and all that kind of thing, and yet in the movie I show you and I pull out some quotes where he says that there will be no peace until Israel is annihilated and every Jew is killed, that's what they consider to be peace.

Marlin:
Caryl Matrisciana with us. I am going to play about a 48 second cut here and it's the occasion of the tenth anniversary of the founding of Israel, and the crowds are shouting, of course in their language, they are shouting, "The whole country is Arab, the whole country is Arab, Jerusalem is ours, Palestine is ours. With our blood and guns we will deliver Palestine." The last part of this 48 second cut is a 10-12-year-old girl who is absolutely hysterical and she is shouting something. When we come back I am going to tell you what she said. Let's listen.

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Marlin:
That little girl is absolutely hysterical. I've got to take a quick break, then I will come back and tell you what she said as she was screaming. This is a video that I am going to do everything that I can to help Caryl Matrisciana get it into the hands of as many people as possible. If you would like to get a copy of it we are making it available through Point of View talk show. It is one hour and it is well done. It is chilling ladies and gentleman. You'll never think of Israel and the Palestinians in the same way again after you have seen this, nor will you think of Islam in the same way. Yours for the suggested gift of $24.95. We'll pay the postage and handling. You can order it by using a credit card and calling 1-800-347-5151. The announcer will give you the number again, and the address if you would like to write to us. Stay with us.

Marlin:
Welcome back ladies and gentleman. You know we have fought a war in Iraq. We saw the terrorists fly the airplanes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and so on. Ladies and gentleman we are going to see a lot more of that in the years to come because there are countries of this world that are training terrorists. They are Islamic terrorists and it is their desire to kill as many Americans as they can, and kill all the Jews and get them out of Jerusalem and totally take over the land, and eventually take over the world. How are they doing that? They are doing it by brainwashing young people and children with their religion, promising them paradise, etcetera and so forth, and filling them with hatred. Caryl Matrisciana has taken so much of this information and put it together in the video called The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill, that she is to be commended. When I first saw the video I told Mary, I said, "Get a hold of Caryl Matrisciana, I've got to have her on, we've got to talk about this." This is a video that needs to be seen by every minister, every church member, people working with school children, and so on. We are not getting the facts from the government. We are being told that it is a peaceful religion and that is not true. It is just not true. We have a lot of Muslims listen to this program, I just hope that you can be honest enough with yourself to see what is going on, not only in Palestine or in Israel, but in other places in the world. This video shows, it is a sampling from hundreds of hours of actual Arab TV footage taken from children's programming, cartoons, news programming, and all of this. It goes daily out to the people, the teaching and so on, and it is inciting the masses toward hatred and violence. Now I played a brief cut from the video just before the break and it is a protest while Israel is celebrating its 10th anniversary. This is a protest going on among the Palestinians. They are shouting, "The whole country is Arab, the whole country is Arab. Jerusalem is ours. With our blood and our guns we will deliver Palestine." A little girl, she looks to be about 10 or 12, she has on the head scarf that many of the Muslim women wear, you can tell that she is absolutely hysterical. Ron, let's hear it again. Then I am going to come back and tell you what she said.

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Marlin:
Here is what the little girl was saying, "Just give us guns. We children, girls and boys, we will fight, just give us guns. Give us guns, we won't leave even one Jew. We won't leave even one Jew." Kirby that is chilling.

Kirby:
That is absolutely chilling. Caryl, there is a visual image that we need to try to describe on radio. One of those is the constant pictures that are seen, sometimes tapestries, of what we would call Israel, except when you look at the pictures there is no Israel, it is only Palestine. This is the goal, not to take a little bit more land, although as you aptly point out in the video, most of the land has already been given away, but to drive Israel and the Jews into the sea.

Caryl:
Absolutely. That is incredible. Actually the way we heard that little girl yelling and screaming, that was the 50th anniversary of the formation of Israel, and remember…..

Marlin:
Oh I'm sorry, what did I say?

Caryl:
The tenth.

Marlin:
Oh, I'm sorry, 50th.

Caryl:
It was the 50th, and what is so incredible about this is that this land was given to the Jews after the II World War because they were so badly treated. No country would look after the Jews that were being focused in on by Hitler and his horrible killings, just atrocious killing methods. Here was, by world opinion, this land given to the Jews for their safety and refuge and harbor. As pointed out in the school books that the children are getting today, in the school books, in the school textbooks, these children are being taught that this little piece of land is not Israel. In fact, in some of the textbooks, even in one of the textbooks the Arabic language, and this wasn't stuff that I could even show in the film because I just pulled off information that was coming onto their television. But in the third grade Arab language book it says complete the following blank spaces with the appropriate word, then it says, "The Zionist enemy _______ civilians with its aircraft." So you are meant to say the Zionist enemy kills civilians with its aircraft.

Marlin:
All brainwashing.

Caryl:
It's incredible. Then in a fifth grade book it says, "Know my son that Palestine is your country, that its poor soul is drenched with the blood of martyrs. We must fight the Jews and drive them from our land." This is an Arabic language fifth grade book.

Kirby:
All the way through what you are pointing out in this video, in such an excellent way, is how the facts are being twisted. You have a whole section there about the history which we talked about before, your point of view, the Balfour declaration and how the land was to be given to the Jews, but 75% of it ended up being Jordan and more was given to the West Bank. You mentioned just a minute ago the issue of the Holocaust. We all talk now about whether there would be any road map for peace, but if you have your Palestinian Prime Minister, Abu Mazen, who wrote a book years ago which denied the existence of the Holocaust, then you have the kids learning that the Holocaust did not take place. Whether it is the facts about Palestine, the facts about Israel, or the facts about the Jews, every part of those are wrong. How could we possibly bring about peace in that region?

Caryl:
Well and also, to go along with that, your absolutely right, not only is the existence of Israel being denied, but at the same time in all the conditioning process that I was showing through the cartoons and through children's programming, they are glorifying what they call suicide terrorism or martyrdom. But we know, isn't this just suicide? This is an issue. If these children were just being taught to commit suicide that would be one thing, but they are actually being taught genocide. Which is to strap themselves up with bombs and go into Pizzerias, and I showed that example of the Pizzeria getting blown up, where there were woman and children in there. They went in there with nails in these bombs that had rat poison in them, and have gone into children's and people's lives that will be so horrendously effected for the rest of their lives. They will never have the same quality of life. So here are tiny little children being taught to be genocide bombs and also homicide bombs. We are not talking about suicide bombs where they just blow themselves up. They are being taught homicide and genocide against the Jewish race of people, against Americans, and against Christians. It is absolutely incredible, and they have no conscience. Then when you have the public leaders, where I showed Yasser Arafat saying that we must kill, you must kill, the children must kill. Yasser Arafat himself says that killing Jewish settlers is, as I mentioned earlier on, a prerogative. But then we have in other speeches, the Palestinian authorities saying, "Killing settlers is a Palestinian prerogative."

Marlin:
One of the things that is so chilling, and you've got a couple of scenes in the video, is mobs of young, it looks like college-aged boys, it looks like several hundred of them, that become a pack of dogs that go after someone they threw out of a window, and it looked like they tore him apart with their hands.

Caryl:
Incredible isn't it?

Marlin:
Yes.

Caryl:
And there again of course, what I was trying to show in that particular clip, that came after we were watching ten thousand children a year going through these little assault course training camps. Ten thousand children a year being taught how to kill with their bare hands. You saw that young boy slit the throat of another. They are taught to hijack cars, load machine guns blindfolded, and carry these guns with them. Then much, much later on where I showed even excerpts in these kind of training camps taking place in America, where you have Palestinians or Arab Muslims, American Muslims…..

Marlin:
Hang on I've got to break in and take a quick break here Caryl.

Caryl:
Okay.

Marlin:
We are going to come back and if you would like to call and ask Caryl a question, do so. 1-800-347-5151. We do ask that when you get on you get straight to the point, ask your question, and we'll talk about this issue some more. Stay with us, we'll be back right after this.

Marlin:
We're back ladies and gentleman. Caryl Matrisciana with us today. She has produced a new video, it is called The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill. It is a chilling video. It is one of those that if you take a look at it, you will never again think of Palestinians and Yasser Arafat in the same way. If you have been sympathetic in some way, this is going to close the door on that. Because what we have is Yasser Arafat and his crowd that are producing a generation of terrorists and assassins, and their hatred is not just for the Jews, their hatred extends to you as Americans. Sooner or later, given the chance, the training of, as Caryl said, 10,000 a year, you take ten years and that is 100,000 terrorists that they have trained. They are trained without conscience, they are trained to kill, they are trained to assassinate you and to assassinate the Jews. If something is not done then, America is going to feel their wrath. Please get a copy of the video for yourself, your family to look at, maybe get your pastor to show it in church. It is an hour in length and it is called The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill. If you would like to order it you can do so. It is yours for a suggested gift of $24.95, and about $4.50 of that price is shipping and handling. You know, just for the $24.95 we'll send it to you. To order it you can call 1-800-347-5151 or you can go to the website www.pointofview.net or you can write to us. Caryl Matrisciana is with us.

Kirby:
Caryl, if nothing else, this again illustrates that maybe we aren't getting all the facts. Marlin mentioned Yasser Arafat just a minute ago, and I have heard many people say before, and your video documents it, that when Yasser Arafat speaks English we all go, "Well, he seems like a pretty nice guy." But when you translate what he says, as you do in the video, he says some unbelievable things. Can you give us some examples?

Caryl:
Well, the biggest thing that I think is just incredible, is for a political leader to give his blessing to those who are prepared to be Martyrs, to kill Jews, and to be educated in jihad, which of course means holy war. He encourages them saying that the only way to live is through the education of jihad and martyrdom and he gives blessings….

Kirby:
And he uses those words, doesn't he?

Caryl:
He does, and he say's, "Blessed are those, whoever has raised his son on the education of jihad and martyrdom." Blessing for whoever has saved a bullet in order to stick it in a Jew's head." Here you have this horrendous blowing up of a night club from a suicide bomber, then, while in public, Yasser Arafat condemns the act, but privately he sends a letter to the family telling them, blessing their son for doing this, giving them blessings and giving them the praise of Allah. Then of course, in the movie, I show how even Saddam Hussein pays money to those in Palestine, Palestinian families, who encourage their children to be homicide bombs, genocide bombs. He gives them $25,000 a family to blow up Jews, Americans, Christians, and whoever is in Palestine, because they believe that it will only be through spilling their blood, which they consider to be very honorable, that they will get their land back. That there will be no peace until they have that little portion of land with the Al Aksa Mosque on it, which is Jerusalem. So, in that cartoon, which is absolutely incredible, you see children being trained to kill, throw stones for the mosque's sake, for the rock. In Christian terms it is incredible because it is a counterfeit rock, because in the scriptures we know who is the Rock, that is God himself, He is our Rock, our refuge, our strength. But here is this Dome of the Rock being given this name, and they have to die for this counterfeit rock.

Marlin:
Let's take some phone calls. Caryl Matrisciana with us. Let's go to Kansas and Reg. Hi Reg.

Reg:
Hi, how are you?

Marlin:
Very well, good to have you sir.

Reg:
Good. Actually I have a two-parter and I will try to be as quick as possible.

Marlin:
Sure.

Reg:
Alright, for years I remember growing up and hearing that the reason for the conflict was due to the enmity between Abraham's two sons, Ishmael and Isaac, that is the reason I heard for the conflict all these years. Here is where the question begins - Do the Arabs truly have any claim to any land in Israel? And, the second part is - In what way is this conflict being used to promote the one world government agenda?

Marlin:
Caryl, Dave Hunt does deal with that issue in the video doesn't he?

Caryl:
Yes, I think we go into it extensively, and Reg's first question is to know whether Arabs have any claim in Israel. Well, what we were trying to show is that this small portion of land that was given by the British mandate in 1948, about over 75%, 80% of it has been given to Arabs, already allocated as Jordan, The West Bank, and the Gaza strip, so there is a very, very small land that the original land mandated to Israel by world opinion, if you will. Then won during the war, the ink was hardly dry, the signatures and the U.N. mandate, the British mandate and the U.N. treaty, when there were six Arab nations that fought Israel. This very young army very strongly won in a battle point of view, so they have got two wins on their side. So, do Arabs have any claims on Israel? No. No they don't. They already have 80% of the land mass that little Israel has already in all the neighboring Arab nations.

Marlin:
Caryl Matrisciana with us. She talks about the indoctrination of the children, and one of the ways is of course through children's television programming. Here is a cut from the video.

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Marlin:
Now then, let me read you the words that that little sweet girl about 6 years old was singing. She says, "Oh my sister talks constantly of my life like a living bomb. Every parcel of your soil I have impregnated with my blood, and we will march like jihad warriors, and we will march like jihad warriors." Beautiful little girl, little sweet voice, singing as if she was singing a Sunday school song in some Sunday school class at a Baptist or Methodist or Pentecostal church somewhere. But, the words that she is singing have been inbred in her by the indoctrination of this regime in Palestine. Well, what difference does it make to me Marlin? These are people that you are going to see one day flying some planes into buildings right here in the United States. You need to know what is going on so that you will not be persuaded by the television personalities telling you that the way to bring about peace in Israel is to give the Palestinians all the land they want. It won't happen. Please get a copy of the video. It is yours for a gift of $24.95 and the title of it is The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill. It's chilling, you need to see it. If you would like to order it you can call us at 1-800-347-5151. You can also order over the internet at www.pointofview.net. Also, the announcer will give you the box number and the zip code, let me hear from you right away. We'll be right back.

Marlin:
Welcome back ladies and gentleman, a very, very, enlightening interview today with Caryl Matrisciana. She has put together a video entitled The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill. I wish it could be made mandatory viewing by every member of the Congress, the Senate, the House of Representatives in the Senate. In fact, one of the things, I wish it could be mandatory viewing at the State Department, for Pete's sake. I mean, that's the place. Caryl Matrisciana, she talks about the heinous impact of seductive indoctrination on millions of Arab children. She gives you chilling video with children's TV programming and school curriculum which is teaching an entire generation of Arab children attitudes of murder, suicide, hatred, violence towards Jews, Christians, and Americans. Now you and I, we don't think in those terms, and when we think about teaching children we talk about forgiveness, about getting along, we recognize that the heart of mankind, humankind is evil, and it has to be taught to the good graces. But in this curriculum and in this religion, maybe not all teachers do it, but in this religion it is in their sacred books, the hatred and the violence towards Jews, Christians, infidels, Americans, and so on. And the attitudes are of course the official teachings of one Yasser Arafat and his Arab terrorist organization, the PLO. They are working toward the annihilation of Israel and conquest of the world to Allah, the Muslim's god. Is this working? Is the indoctrination working? Well, the way you find out is what the children say back to you. I want you to listen to a couple of them, you listened to one. I am going to come back and tell you what this child said. This is a little girl about 7 or 8 years of age. Here is what she said.

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Marlin:
Well, here is what that sweet girl about 7 or 8 years of age was saying.
She said, "I will take my soul in my hand and I will throw it into the abyss of death. In your life I foresee my death, but I march quickly toward my death. Am I afraid? Life is of little value to me because I return to my god and my people will know that I am a heroine." Now Kirby, a child wants to be a hero, and when the government and the leaders and the teachers and the television teach them this, it is no wonder that they repeat these kinds of things.

Kirby:
Absolutely. Caryl Matrisciana with us, and Caryl I want to ask you a question, because you began years ago looking at how brainwashing works within a cult. It seems to me that there is a lot of transfer between what you learned then and what you have learned now. How does a person get to the point where they are willing to give their life? Whether it is a cult like Jim Jones, and they are willing to drink poison, or whether it is a suicide bomber. There is just a lot that is built into human beings to keep us from committing suicide, so what kind of brainwashing needs to take place, and how does it take place so that now we have this young child willing to kill herself?

Caryl:
I think that in the case of these, and when I sort of began 30 years or so ago, it was trying to help parents get their children out of cults like the Hare Krishna or the Children of God, Scientology and all these, where you have perhaps a living or a dead leader, but this sort of group pressure of children, vulnerable people, idealistic followers, that's basically what it is, just wanting to make purpose for their lives. But I think what is so scary about this film and why I made The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill, is because here we see children, and remember that we are talking Arabs and Muslims, are probably the fastest growing religion in the world, indoctrinating their children at a very, very young age. The indoctrination process, part of it is to say that Palestine must be given back to the Arab people. It isn't a question of, these children are being taught to be suicide, as they call it, suicide bombers. I call them genocide and homicide bombers. They are not being taught to do this if the Jews do anything against them, they are basically, these groups, are saying that they want the destruction of Israel. They will not abide by any peaceful political solution. This is the very, very essence of what the indoctrination is about. In fact, in the film, remember Osama bin Laden, who is meant to be the mastermind supposedly, the master mind behind the September 11th killings of over 3.000 people in New York. Here he is saying that your Palestinian brothers back home are thrilled that you have done this, we must do this for the Palestinian cause. That the very heart of the jihad movement is the Palestinian cause that they must kill Jews, that they must shed Jewish blood. They must shed the blood of all that support Israel, the Americans and the Brits, and also any moderate Muslims who will not, basically, see that Christians and Jews are wrong.

Kirby:
You just made a connection there that I would like to have you emphasize, you quoted from Osama bin Laden, and that is the connection between the United States and Israel. We have some people here in this country that say if we just didn't support Israel, all the problems would go away, the terrorists wouldn't hate us. In a sense, the same kind of hatred that you see towards the Jews in Israel is the same kind of hatred that will come to our doorstep someday, won't it?

Caryl:
Well yes, there are two things that you are saying, that the same kind of hatred because we support Israel, but let's say that the Zionist, the whole movement, the Zionist movement, which was organized, my gosh, in 1897 it became a national movement. I mean, were talking about over 100 years ago, and it was dedicated to re-establishing the Jewish nation. In Israel we have these Zionists who have created a free democratic state based on individual rights and tolerance. In fact, they have sixteen officially recognized religions in Israel. But, outside of that, with all their Arab neighbors, they may not recognize any other religion outside of Islam.

Marlin:
Got to take a quick break Caryl. We have a line open if you'd like to give us a ring and talk to Caryl Matrisciana. The phone number is 1-800-351-1212.

Marlin:
Welcome back, Caryl Matrisciana with us. 1-800-351-1212. Let's go to Fairbanks, Alaska and talk to Dawn. Hi Dawn.

Dawn:
Hey, how are you today?

Marlin:
Very well, good to have you.

Dawn:
Yes, Caryl, I had a question. Have you ever contacted say Fox News Network or Bill O'Reilly, or one of the more conservative networks about airing any of this information? I am so lucky to have found this great radio news show, and I get a lot of good information. I just think that so many other people would benefit from it.

Caryl:
Well Dawn, thank you. Yes, indeed I have, and needless to say, neither of them have picked up as quickly as this wonderful Marlin Maddoux, who is such a giant when it comes to causes like this. I am afraid that no matter how conservative a lot of the media appears to be, they have to go through editors, and perhaps it is not politically correct to be airing this at a time when sentiments are so highly pro-Arab. Since the II World War there has never been a greater hostility against the Jews, and hatred, you know, a hatred of Jewish sentiment by the world at large. Because the world at large is Arab effectively, and pro-Arab. So it is difficult, people have to take a risk like Marlin Maddoux is doing, in order to be behind this.

Marlin:
Well you know Caryl, this is one of the reasons why I was so impressed with the video and the information that you have gotten out there, because a lot of Americans just cast aside Biblical belief, or whatever. A lot of Americans just look at it from America's interest, and logical way of thinking, like Bill Clinton has tried to tell us, and Jimmy Carter tried to tell us. And unfortunately, President Bush seems to be falling into the same trap, that this is just a matter of two people out here that are not getting along, fighting over land, and if we would just give the land to these Palestinians, let them build a home country, a home state, then Israel and the Palestinians can live in peace. This is what the Americans are buying into. But, this is not the truth. Am I correct?

Caryl:
This is absolutely not the truth. The truth is that they will not abide by any peaceful resolution or political solution until they see the destruction of Israel. I took out the quotes of Yasser Arafat himself who said that. We have the newspapers. We have Arab newspapers, Arab school textbooks, Arabs in mosques and speeches saying exactly the same thing. Encouraging their children to be murderers by glorifying suicide and financing organized terrorism to blow up Jews, woman and children primarily, in pizzerias and where children hang out, and women hang out, so that their cause can have world attention. That's incredible. They say that they must have, one of the quotes that comes from one of the Sheikh from a mosque is, "We must pave the path for the army of Allah. Then Israel will disappear and so will the exploiting nation called the United States. Also, the exploiting kingdom called the United Kingdom, the one responsible for the 1948 calamity of the Palestinian people.

Kirby:
Getting back to Dawn's question for a minute Caryl, we might mention, if some people did not hear you mention it earlier, one of your colleagues, one of your friends, put together a documentary that had some of this footage. It was actually banned on French television. But, at the same time I think they sold 40,000 videos. It seems to me that sometimes the way you get this out is through the back door rather than the front door. Because there are some very, very powerful people in certain countries, perhaps even in the United States, that don't want these kinds of images shown on television.

Caryl:
That is exactly it Kirby. The person that you are mentioning is Pierre Rehov, who is a Frenchman. He is a Jew who was born in Algeria. He has made some wonderful films that I'm also offering on the video, particularly one called Holy Land, Christians in Peril. It is absolutely amazing to see that when one Muslim, and their converted, actually possibly even two, converted to Christianity, they were taken through the streets, killed, and hung in public so that Jerusalem, the Arabs in Palestine, in Jerusalem, could see. No it wasn't in Jerusalem, excuse me, it was in Israel. So they could see that they could not convert. This is the issue, they say that if anybody befriends Jews or Christians, they themselves are blaspheming against Allah, because Allah has declared that Jews and Christians are disbelievers of him. So, here we are having all these sort of peace talks, and supposedly, because of the American mentality, thinking there can be peace, that they say that truly the religion in the sight of Allah is only Islam. Anything short of that, you are being a moderate and you are blaspheming against Allah.

Marlin:
Now you zero in on Yasser Arafat, the Palestinians, and the Jews, but this is much bigger than them. This is a worldwide movement, correct?

Caryl:
Yes. In fact I even gave a quote in the video with Saddam Hussein saying, and this goes back to Reg from Alaska's question, which was is this part of a one-world global intention. Well, of course the Muslims see that the world has to be converted to Islam, and that will be the only thing that'll keep Allah happy. In my video you see certain clips from Steve Emerson's video, Jihad in American, where you have these teachers going around ten years ago, before the Twin Towers were even blown up saying that the Muslims in America must be prepared to shed their blood, cut the hands off women and children......

Marlin:
There in the video saying this Caryl. There is no question that they are calling for this kind of violence in America, and that was done on American soil.

Caryl:
Yes, and you see the shooting there, and you see that young American Muslim saying, "Butcher the Jews!"

Marlin:
Incredible. Let's go back to the phones. 1-800-351-1212. In Missouri, Jack you are on with Caryl Matrisciana.

Jack:
Yeah, Caryl.

Caryl
Yes sir, yes Jack.

Jack
I'm listening to this on box radio here in Missouri, your telecast. It is shocking what they are doing, basically. It is a Satanic movement, that's all I can say. It is contrary to the Word of God.

Marlin:
I don't think any of us would disagree with that.

Jack:
It is cultism in the last end-time days. Satan is getting his team together here to come against Christ. That's about basically what it is. To have such perverted, how should I say, corrupt, evil, Satanic manipulation of one's mind. Even, oh man, young children of all, they are so innocent. Adults can be discrete about this junk, and turn a deaf ear to it, but she was talking here, oh man, about kids falling for that stench. They are going to go on and carry that into their lives, and it is just the needless genocide, death, that will be caused because of this movement. It is Satanic.

Caryl:
Well Jack, one of the images that I show there are young children in Saddam Hussein's army who are taught to rip apart live chickens with their bare hands and teeth. Here are these young kids who are soldiers, who are going to fight. I remember last week looking at a young man, an American soldier, coming back from Iraq. He was thrilled to be back with his family, but still having nightmares because he could see these women and children being forced toward the American troops, waving a white handkerchief, as though they were surrendering, but in fact they were forced to be human bombs and shields. The anguish and the anxiety on their faces keeps this young soldier alive today. Here are our American troops going into fight a war as trained soldiers, having no idea of the mentality of warfare that they were having to come against. It is just horrible these young, young children who have no conscience. They do not value human life. They believe in a cause that political leaders have told them, that if they die for Allah and give their blood, they will be blessed and saved. And that all who do not believe in Islam are enemies of Allah. This is what provokes them to die. One of their radio programs says that the Muslim loves death, and he speaks martyrdom. The Muslim just must kill a Jew, because the Jews love life and this is a great difference between he who loves the hereafter and he who loves this world. The Muslim loves death and seeks martyrdom, and the Jew only loves life.

Marlin:
Wow. On the back of the jacket of the video, The New Barbarians, it says, "In the light of ongoing terrorism, a world resurgence of Islam and the global trend of growing fanatic hatred toward Jews and Christians, this video is must viewing for all who want to be informed by honest journalism and not media bias." As I have said often, to get the truth folks, you sometimes have to dig a little bit, and you are not going to see this on Peter Jennings or Dan Rather, or CNN. But, we are making it available to you, to the listeners of Point of View for a gift of $24.95. The video is The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill. You can order it by using a credit card by calling 1-800-347-5151. Hang in there, we'll be back right after this.

Marlin:
Welcome back ladies and gentleman. Kirby Anderson is with me. Our guest is Caryl Matrisciana. We are talking about her explosive new video, the title is The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill. There is no other word to explain and describe the people that these regimes are producing. They are barbarians. Some of the things on this video that Caryl shows, there is no way that I can describe without making some of you ill. The barbarity is absolutely unbelievable, and I think, you know, the American people have woken up to some extent, but have basically gone back to sleep over this. The terrorist attacks of September 11th, in my estimation, brought into sharp focus the picture of ancient hatreds, and also present dangers from the radical Islamists. They, in my estimation, the radical Islamists are driven by a visceral hatred of Israel, and a deep, deep resentment of the encroachment of Western culture into the Muslim world through Western movies, television programs, consumerism, and all of this. Of course, added to this list of grievances is the presence of U.S. armed forces stationed in various parts of the Middle East. It is the presence of the infidel on that hallowed territory that inflames them most. If you think just getting everybody out is going to solve the problem, wrong again. As difficult as it is for us folks, we've got to accept the naked truth that we are at war with an unreasonable, demonic enemy that is committed to overthrowing all of the governments of the world, and imposing radical Islamism. I think so much of it folks, it goes back to September 11th, we should never forget it. Here is a cut from the video, The New Barbarians.

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Kirby:
One of the things that is so chilling Caryl, is to see the cartoons of kids throwing rocks, then to interpose that with the actual pictures of the children, as Marlin said, that look like wild dogs throwing rocks and attacking people. It is obviously what they see on their Arab television, then plays itself out on the streets.

Caryl:
And of course they are encouraged by their political leader, as I show in a speech by Yasser Arafat, to throw rocks and use Palestinian rocks. When I saw that I remember thinking, you know, when Jesus was going into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey he said, "If you didn't praise me and acknowledge that I am God, these stones and rocks will raise themselves up and acknowledge that I am God." But, here we have Yasser Arafat telling those kids to pick up the stones and rocks and hurl them at the Jews to kill them. Then we see that hideous assault on an Israeli settler driving through the streets, he is stoned, they just pull him out of the car and continue to stone him. It is totally barbaric.

Marlin:
You show in the video, you show a cartoon that is played, I don't know what station or where it was shown, but a cartoon glorifying stone throwing, and basically said that we will take our stones and we will conquer you. Then you show pictures which we have seen on television over and over again, of these young people hurling these rocks at people.

Caryl:
Yes, well of course in the little cartoon, which is by its very definition, I mean those children are preschoolers or very young children that are being taught to take those rocks, and the singing that is going on, and we have it all translated and subtitled, they say, "I will give my blood," then this rock becomes a book, and then this little girl is opening the Koran. And in essence, the Koran or the book is teaching to take the rocks and spill their blood. Then they show, in the cartoon, this little boy dying as a martyr, and he goes up on wings of a dove into the Dome of the Rock, and the mother is so proud of her little child committing martyrdom.

Kirby:
There are just such unbelievable visual images that are part of the video. The video that we are talking about is The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill. Let's go to the phones again. 1-800-351-1212. In Fort Worth, David you're on with Caryl Matrisciana.

David:
Marlin.

Marlin:
Yes sir.

David:
What you are doing today, I think, is a real litmus test for your ministry and your calling. I have listened to your show for a lot of years and have enjoyed what I've heard. But, right now it is a real wake-up call, if the Body of Christ, if somebody calls themselves a Christian and doesn't understand that if you cross Israel out you are going to lose more than you gain, I really don't want to hear about their Christianity. Somewhere they have missed it somewhere. I'm really blessed to hear, I hate to hear it because it is so frightening......

Marlin:
Yes indeed.

David:
.......watching this stuff go down. I thank God for our president. I have the fear of God not to speak against him, as far as what the Holy Spirit would allow, but when I see this peace treaty and what is going down, if we cross out Israel, America will lose more than she gained and she'll be the one that winds up being crossed out. And I just thank God. I heard the lady say about you a minute ago, she said, "You are taking a risk doing what you're doing." I believe that with all of my heart. I believe that every man and women that has been born again, when you get past the issues of what you eat, all the programs you have, all these important things, this is the litmus test of whether you really have a relationship with Christ.

Marlin:
Thank you David. You know Caryl, I have been to Washington on several occasions. I have talked to people in the administration, some of the people in Washington, and they just simply agree with what I have seen, and that is a steady deterioration of support for Israel.

Caryl:
Yes, and I'll tell you what shocks me even more being of European descent, is that Israel is hated so much in Europe. The pro-Palestinian press and media in Europe is much, much greater in Europe than it is in America. But, America is very close behind it. That is why I think that we need to stand up for the nation of Israel, and stand up on behalf of the nation of Israel and re-education of the Christian body here, and let them know what is happening. I am happy that the Bush administration has formulated a road map to peace, but there can be absolutely no peace if the Palestinian leadership continues to incite the Palestinian people to hate Jews and Israel.

Marlin:
That's what we are trying to educate the American people about. If you love Israel and you want to support Israel, you need to understand what's going on. Please get a copy of the video, The New Barbarians. As the caller said, this is a wake-up call to the Christian community, good decent people, people who love freedom, because our freedoms are threatened. You can order by calling 1-800-347-5151.

Kirby:
Back for the final segment today as we talk about the video, The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill. Caryl Matrisciana with us. In Dallas, Celistino, thank you for calling.

Celistino:
Thank you for calling. I have a long day trying to get in touch with you, but I cannot. Phone is busy, the telephone. My name is Celistino and I am a Dutch citizen, and I am coming here to study. I have been seeing a great mistake we are doing like Christian. The great mistake we are doing is spending our resources to go and take out those dictator in the Middle East. Trying to put a balance. You see, here we have republicans and we have democrat. You don't have half Christian.......

Marlin:
Do you have a question?

Celistino:
Yes. My question is why does our government, when they go in Afghanistan and Iraq, they don't put half Christian in the government and half Muslim so they can have a balance? To have democracy there.
If we take the Muslim out and put Muslim again, in two or three years they are going to do the same again. They are going to come again and do the same thing.

Marlin:
That is why I want a democratic government so you don't end up in Iraq with a theocratic government like you have in Iran. If nothing else, Caryl, the video just reminds us what happens when a radical Islamic ideology dominates government, because you show us in vivid detail exactly what takes place.

Caryl:
Yes. I think that our caller has a wonderfully idealistic way which we wish could happen, but I am sorry to say that a democratic view of government is not at the heart of the Islam faith. Because, let me tell you, Islam is a religion and a state. This is what people don't understand, it is both. In fact, we have an important principal in this country, which is a separation of church and state, but Israel is built on an opposing concept. Islam is a religion and a state, according to the Koran. It says on the principal source of legislation, "We have sent down to be the book of truth, the book and truth that you might judge men as guided by god." Then we look at the way that they judge men. Stealing is punished by hand amputation, adultery is punished by public flogging, drinking is punished by 40-80 lashes, and resisting Islam is punished by death, crucifixion, or the cutting off of their hands and feet. So this is not a democracy.

Marlin:
You know, the gentleman is right. At one point Kirby reiterated, it looks like in Iraq one thing that a lot of them would like to do is just simply impose another Muslim religion, and when that happens there is no freedom.

Caryl:
That is exactly it, and particularly when you see that Arab Israeli women, just as all Israeli women in Israel, enjoy the civil rights. In Israel, both the Arab and the Israeli woman have the same one, whereas in the disputed territories, which is Gaza and the West Bank, or in the Arab nations, they limit women's freedoms. This is just one of them, that women's freedoms and opportunities, for instance in Saudi the women, can't drive in public, they can't be seen in public without a male guardian, they are excluded from industrial fields such as architecture and engineering. Just last year, I think it was, 15 Saudi teenage girls died, they were trapped in a burning building because the authorities wouldn't let them out because they did not have the proper head covering.

Marlin:
Wouldn't let them come out to save their lives.

Caryl:
Yes. So we see that, you know, they have face beating, they are arrested if they expose their ankles or feet. In Jordan, male family members can legally murder women if they are suspected of being raped or promiscuity. Of course these are called honor killings. Today we hear that there are estimates that 70 percent of the murders in Gaza and the West Bank, which is a disputed territory within Israel, the honor killings are up to 70 percent.

Marlin:
Caryl Matrisciana, what do people listening right now, we've talked about so many powerful issues, people begin to think, okay you have convinced me, I believe what you are saying, you're corroborating what I felt all along, but what can I do about it? So, what can we do about the growing threat of Islam to this country and worldwide?

Caryl:
Well you know, there is the Bush administration that is formulating a road map to peace. I think a wonderful beginning would be if your listeners could be one of the 10,000 votes that are needed. Basically the road map, unless the leadership stops inciting the Palestinians to hate Jews and Israelis, there will be no road map. There is a wonderful web page that they can go into and sign for this petition. Basically it is putting an end to the glorification of suicide terrorism, teaching children to be genocide and homicide bombers. Palestine must acknowledge Israel's right to exist and promote peace. In Palestinian schools, on television, on the radio, in mosques, in newspapers, at rallies and public speeches, and in public art and museum exhibits we see that are horrible, horrible examples that Israel shouldn't exist and Jews should be killed. Of course we see them giving rewards to families of these bombers. We need to just be behind this to say that we want to stop the glorifying and promoting of suicide bombs. We want the Palestinian leaders who fail to end this.......

Marlin:
But so many people just simply look at it as only a religious war, so to speak, between Muslims and Jews without any real repercussions to the United States, but September 11th was an outgrowing of what they are teaching to these children. In fact, I've got another cut from the video, and it talks about the training of these young people in Palestine to kill. If you think about Al Qaeda, you think about other places, Saddam Hussein did this with his young people, and it is being done throughout the world, it is a threat to all of us. Here's what Caryl has to say in the video.

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Marlin:
When you get the video there are subtitles that tell you what these crowds of children are saying. I don't have time to give it to you, but it is basically an indoctrination of hatred against Jews, Christians, and anybody who, in fact, is not a Muslim. What can I do Marlin? Well, one of the first things you can do is get a copy of this video and share it with you family and your friends and you church and everyone you can get to sit down and spend a little time watching it. The title of it is The New Barbarians, Training Children to Kill. You can order it by calling 1-800-347-5151. In fact, you can call that number anytime, night or day, people are standing by to talk to you. You can also order it on the web at www.pointofview.net. And you can also write to me, the announcer will give you that address. Thanks for listening and so long everybody.