Chuck:
Caryl it is so good to have you back aboard with us here.

Caryl:
Chuck, thank you so much for inviting me to be your guest again. It is just wonderful to be with you and thank you for the very, very powerful opening. My goodness it is a phenomenon.

Chuck:
Well it certainly is. In fact, the front cover of the June 23rd issue of Time Magazine asked the question, or actually it makes the statement - "Why Harry Potter rules among men, Harry Potter rules among kids, and it seems that the mania has swept even through evangelical churches across the land."

Caryl:
Yes, that is what I find the most disturbing, talking to so many Christians that just love the book. They say that they read it to their children, that they are besotted by it. I am just amazed that they don't understand God's viewpoint on witchcraft, which you read out very, very clearly at the beginning of the program. My question to them always is, "Why do you do it when God's viewpoint is so opposed to witchcraft?" And their answer is, "Well, it's just fantasy." So I say, "Well, if it's fantasy why was God so appalled with fantasy? Why did God even bother to give us a warning about fantasy?"

Chuck:
Well let's look at it realistically Caryl, if we were to fantasize about committing adultery, fantasize about committing fornication, would God hold us accountable? I mean, remember the words of Jesus, he said, "Anyone who has even thought about or looked upon a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already in his heart." Doesn't that same standard hold true with witchcraft?

Caryl:
Yes it does. I think another very interesting thing to bring up is that only in fantasizing have we created the lust in our hearts, but let's look at the imagination. When the arguments are told to me that it is just imagination and it's good for children to exercise their imagination, there is never in the Bible a positive statement made about imagination. God said, "Look at them, whatever they imagine in their hearts they will be able to do."

Chuck:
In fact, God brought destruction by flood upon the world in Noah's day because he said that the imaginations of the thoughts of their hearts are evil only continually.

Caryl:
Yes he did, and look what He did in Shinar, in the planes of Shinar when the men imagined that they could get to the Holy of Holies through building the big complex in Babylon. The Lord had to acknowledge the fact that their imaginations would get them into trouble, and he brought a language that confounded them, the babble of confusion.

Chuck:
And indeed we have confusion because now that which God so clearly warned the children of Israel about, as His chosen people through Moses, now has become used as an evangelical or evangelistic tool in some of the so-called Bible believing churches of the land. One prominent Christian writer even has written a book indicating how Harry Potter is such a wonderful evangelistic tool for our time. Talk about confusion.

Caryl:
Yes, in fact, I don't know if you are thinking of the same author, but there are two books out asking what parents are to do with Harry Potter, and using scriptures to justify the reading of Harry, to say that Harry is a Christ-like figure. Here we have a witch. What a heresy, what an abomination. A little 11-year-old self-proclaimed witch, a generational witch, because both his parents were witches as well, being said that he is a Christ-like figure because he has magical blood that has power in it. Well, it is absolutely, I can't conceive of how the scripture twisting is going on in churches. When I am confronted with this argument I question people and say, "Look, let's look at the Bhagavad Gita, the Hindu scriptures, or the Koran, the scriptures of Islam, and can we use those as evangelistic tools to bring people to Christ through reading the Koran or the Bhagavad Gita. Would we ever dare to do such things?"

Chuck:
And yet it seems that our thinking has become so perverted in these modern times that we are capable of just about anything. We'll talk more about this with Caryl Matrisciana concerning her video Harry Potter, Witchcraft Repackaged, and also in DVD form. We'll make this available to you. I think you are not going to want to miss this powerful presentation. Again, you're listening to Viewpoint. Viewpoint does determine destiny. We'll be right back with you after this break.

Chuck:
Welcome back to Viewpoint I am Chuck Crismier, and today we're looking at the amazing Potter mania that is sweeping the world. On June 21st another issue of the Harry Potter series hit the bookstores, and before it hit they were virtually all sold out. It was 8 ½ million copies of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. The largest first printing ever at close to 900 pages. The largest Children's book there is. It already has the top advanced sales in history. It was Amazon.com's best seller two hours after it became available for pre-ordering. Its contents were so secret that a forklift driver was sentenced for stealing pages from a printing plant in Britain and trying to sell them for $41,000 to The Sun newspaper. The American Library Association ranks the Harry Potter books as the most challenged in the country. More parents have requested that Harry be banished from book shelves than they have of Huck Finn or more than Catcher in the Rye. Christian parents argued that the books promote witchcraft and Satanism. That ruckus seems to have calmed down somewhat, come to a stand for much larger conversation about what should shake the moral life of children. Now, amazingly, the Harry Potter series is being argued as the new moral authority for children in America because we have abandoned the Bible. Utterly amazing, you can read about it in the feature article of Time Magazine, June 23, 2003. Joining us on the program today is Caryl Matrisciana, an expert in Potter mania. She has put together a video called Harry Potter, Witchcraft Repackaged, Making Evil Look Innocent. It is also in DVD form. Your gift of $20 or more to Save America Ministries will put the video in your hands, or if you'd prefer the DVD, your gift of $25 or more to Save America Ministries. Now the DVD has some additional material in it that the video does not have, is that true Caryl?

Caryl:
Yes it is. It has got an hour of additional material, and also some TV appearances and radio appearances. There are call-ins with questions probably most asked by listeners that I try and answer. This thing has just caused such confusion and you're absolutely right to be called the moral yardstick of our young people is amazing, because Harry himself lies, cheats, and steals. Do we really want our children to be involved in this relativism where Harry's morality goes above and beyond accepted? He is permitted to do what he feels is the appropriate thing to do, so the end justifies the means.

Chuck:
So it's a whole new moral authority, whatever works. That seems to be the running philosophy of the day. We no longer believe in principles, we believe in pragmatism, whatever works, even if it's witchcraft.

Caryl:
Absolutely. I think this is what is amazing about Harry is that he does, even within the school system, you see Harry goes to a school, a thousand-year-old school that teaches witchcraft and wizardry. All his teachers are well established occultists, so the teaching that Harry gets in his boarding school at age 11, 12, 13, 14, and now in book #5 he is 15 years old, so the teaching he gets each year from his occultists in a school environment. This is what thousands, hundreds, millions of children around the world are vicariously being taught the same morality and principles of witchcraft that Harry is learning. As he gets stronger and stronger year by year, so do the readers get more involved in the power that Harry is developing. His psychic abilities get stronger. His reasoning gets stronger. In fact, in this book I noticed Harry was a much angrier person than in the previous books, where in his book #1 he was innocent and very wide-eyed and more submissive to authority. In this book he actually becomes possessed by the serpent that he is supposedly fighting, and he can't differentiate now between the thing that can take over in him, and he has the same mind as the serpent. So, this book is much more dangerous in the sense of accepting demon possession or the possession of the demonic in children. Of course they both have the same power, the serpent is his arch enemy and has the same power that Harry has, but of course Harry's is called white witchcraft, whereas the serpent's is seen as much more dangerous. Now Harry can't even, his power cannot stop the serpent from being able to use his body and function through Harry.

Chuck:
So if we call witchcraft white it suddenly makes it holy and we can all indulge in it. It seems that, as you said, it is affecting not just a few, not just thousands, but literally millions if not hundreds of millions of children now worldwide. It is the most popular children's series ever written. According to Time Magazine it is hard not to believe in magic when you consider what R.K. Rowling has done through her books. She speaks to kids in Milan, Italy, Morocco, and Minnesota, and those conversations now seeming somewhat private, even though they are conducted in 200 countries, in 55 languages, in Braille in 200 million volumes. Friends, do you realize that the entire world, the children's world, the next generation in our world, not just in America now, but in our world are being trained, enculturated in witchcraft by this seemingly innocent publication. It is unbelievable. If you have any concern for your children, for your grandchildren, for the future of America and our world as we look at preparing the way of the Lord for history's final hour, you have got to get a copy of this video Harry Potter, Witchcraft Repackaged. Your gift of $20 or more to Save America Ministries. Give us a call at 1-800-SaveUSA, that's 1-800-SaveUSA. Now if you want the DVD form instead of the video, that is your gift of $25 or more to Save America Ministries. Give us a call at 1-800-SaveUSA or write to us at Save America Ministries, P.O. Box 70879, Richmond, VA 23255. If you are writing a check add $3 for postage and handling. You might want to get a copy of each of these for your church library. You might want to get a copy for your Christian school library. You might want to get a copy for your school, your public school. Friends this is important. You might want to get a copy to show to your neighbors and friends. Have a block party, bring people over, and, yeah, you might have to stand up for your faith a little bit. But isn't it about time some of us take a stand? Again, Harry Potter, Witchcraft Repackaged, the video your gift of $20 or more to Save America Ministries or the DVD form $25 or more. Give us a call 1-800-SaveUSA or write to us at Save America Ministries, P.O. Box 70879, Richmond, VA 23255. Again, if you are writing a check add $3 for postage and handling. Caryl, this is utterly astounding. Confusion is reigning. In fact, confusion is being resolved in favor of witchcraft now, isn't it?

Caryl:
Yes. Of course what people don't understand is that witchcraft is a religion. They say this is just fantasy, but know that the Supreme Court has given witchcraft religious status. The IRS has given it a tax exemption status. There are Wiccan chaplains in the military today. Hundred of thousands of witches believe in this power that they are tapping into. This is the fastest growing religion among teenagers, who can through the Harry Potter curriculum, in their schools, go into the internet for more additional information on the mythology of Harry Potter. Of course J.K. Rowling herself majored at Exeter University in classical mythology, Greek, Roman religions, in Celtic, the religion of the Celts, in folklore. She has plagiarized all these concepts and put them within her classroom setting of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, then children today can, through the internet, connect into Pagan websites. When I went into the Pagan websites there were more than 199,000 sites about witches. The children can go into this and actually speak to legitimate witches to get their information from Wiccan sites. They can graduate into witchcraft and wizardry, the can learn more about it from witches that proselytize them, and of course witches say they don't, but they give their opinion and their worldview. Witches say that they are absolutely thrilled that Harry Potter has given them credibility. In fact on June 21st, which is the Summer Solstice, there were hundreds and thousands of Pagans in England's Stonehenge, and there one of the leading Wiccans, the high priest of the British, of course he calls it the White Witches Association, but he said that Harry Potter in recent years had continued the trend of growing paganism and helping create what he called the fastest growing belief system in the world.

Chuck:
Paganism.

Caryl:
Then he warned that children must, he warned teenagers against joining witch covens too young, and yet we have these schools of Harry Potter being taught to our 6 year olds, 7 year olds, if they can't read they can get these tapes on cassettes, and it is being read aloud in the schools across America.

Chuck:
And in Christian homes.

Caryl:
And in Christian homes.

Chuck:
And by pastors and Sunday school teachers.

Caryl:
Yes.

Chuck:
It is utterly astounding. Here we have United States Supreme Court that has finally desecrated the Constitution of the United States, violated their oath of office, normalized homosexual behavior in the land of the free, the home of the brave. Now we have witchcraft being normalized not just nationwide, but worldwide. We have got to believe that Jesus is coming soon.

Caryl:
It's incredible, and what I find so amazing is that here where the Bible and prayer and the commandments has been thrown out of schools across America on the grant that they are religious, Harry Potter and basic 101 witchcraft is being read aloud in the classroom by teenagers. The American publishers of Harry Potter are Scholastic Inc., who have provided curriculum into public schools for 80 years, and they are the publishers of these books and feeding them into the school system where they reach 34 million children a year with their curriculum-based materials.

Chuck
Well the Archbishop of Denver, Charles Chaput, says, "I think the Potter argument is really about bigger and deeper battles going on all over the culture about our national character." Unbelievable! Friends, our very national character being reflected in our purchasing millions and millions of copies of these Harry Potter books for our children, even in God's house. When He in His own words says that it is an abomination. "He that uses divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer, all that do these things are an abomination." So it's not just the thing itself, it's those who do them. Parents, grandparents, as you are purchasing these books, reading them and providing them to your children, my reading of God's Word says you have become an abomination. Now it doesn't get any clearer. Now, you may have a different viewpoint than God does, but remember Viewpoint determines destiny. We'll be back with you and Caryl Matrisciana after this break, you dare not leave us, were talking about not just a culture-war matter, we're talking about spiritual destiny. We'll be right back.

Chuck:
Welcome back to Viewpoint, I'm Chuck Crismier. We're dealing with the subject of Potter mania today on this program, why Harry Potter rules. It is the label, the heading on the front cover of Time Magazine June 23, 2003. Because on June 21st the latest issue, the latest volume of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix went on sale. At one minute past midnight 8 ½ million copies, the largest first printing ever, at close to 900 pages, the longest children's book. What is the fascination? Is it witchcraft? Is it that our minds and our hearts, our flesh so craves this idea of witchcraft and controlling our environment, controlling things, that this has now permeated the entire culture? Even our churches now are using witchcraft for evangelism, and if so, to what are we evangelizing people. That's what we are talking about today with Caryl Matrisciana right here on Viewpoint. Caryl, you were indicating to me that you actually, you yourself, have a background in the occult. Tell us a little bit about that because that gives you a unique perspective on what's taking place here.

Caryl:
Yes, I was actually born and raised in India. The land of Eastern mysticism, Hinduism, yoga, reincarnation and surrounded by people who believed in 9 million gods. Even as I'd walk to school I would see trees being worshipped, nature being worshipped, animals being worshipped. The cows would be garlanded with marigolds. I even saw somebody catch a cow's urine believing that if they drank it they would be spiritually imbued with powers. So that was my background of growing up in a land where every single day was devoted to various spirits. It was believed that even people could be divine, and that there was the potential of God inside each of us that could be activated through the disciplines of yoga and concentration and visualization. Well of course this very concept has been repackaged in Harry Potter.

Chuck:
And that is why you are calling this witchcraft repackaged.

Caryl:
Yes, absolutely. To me it is amazing that in the 60's yoga was blatantly seen as sort of pretzel-shaped Hindus or godmen of India, and promoted through the Beatles and the drug culture and the flower power people. Now, four generations later we see the same practice of self-hypnosis and concentration and visualization, now in child-friendly Eastern mysticism through Harry Potter. It's not called yoga, not called meditation, but now called concentration. Told that you have to visualize what you want in your mind Harry, and you can have it. So kids all over the world, as you quite rightly said, want power to control their lives that are permeated with chaos and confusion. Children that we interviewed for our video Harry Potter, Witchcraft Repackaged, said that they wanted to be able to learn how to do spells on their teachers so that they could have good test results, and of course on their girlfriends or boyfriends so that they could manipulate them into loving them. So, this is what it is all about, being able to manipulate people to have what an individual wants.

Chuck:
Is that the nature of witchcraft then? Manipulation?

Caryl:
Yes. It is to be able to manipulate what are called "natural forces." People who are not involved in it do not understand that they are communicating with demons or wicked spirits, they will just say that it is the forces of nature. If you go to a Biblical concept we are told that we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but powers and principalities of wickedness in heavenly places and in these world forces. So, when they proclaim themselves as just "natural forces" or the white side of the same Star Wars force, if you will, we understand from the Bible that our God is a personal God. He is involved in relationship, he is not a force that can be manipulated. Eastern mysticism says that there is a force out there that brought the world into creation through evolution, and if we tap into those natural forces like Harry does, that we can through certain rituals and emphasis on various syllables of wand waving and magic, that you can through words and rituals be able to advance or tap into these natural forces so that you can discover the potential, your inner potential, and have God-like qualities.

Chuck:
You know there is an element of this that has woven its way through certain aspects of the evangelical Christian community. Not in the form of Harry Potter, but in the form of manipulating our environment, manipulating things around us. We have actually found a way to take what God's Word says and turn it into our own magic wand. I think this whole spirit is permeating our world. I think, Caryl, that it is laying the groundwork for the massive deception that Jesus warned about before the second coming of Christ.

Caryl:
I think you are absolutely right Chuck, and that is what it is. It is manipulating or defining the word, and of course within witchcraft that is a very basic of witchcraft that you can define or change the word, the spoken word, you seem to have authority. Of course we know that because when God spoke into being from His Word the world was created. That is a counterfeit that Satan himself tries to get children now in child-like witchcraft, no longer is this a religion of adults. And remember, witchcraft itself used to be an adult religion because it involves sexual ceremonies, and because it is a feminist-based cult with worship of the goddess worship in it, that this is now being brought down into child-friendly components so that children can get, in a sense, brainwashed, indoctrinated with something. Speaking the word, many times Harry says that he needs to speak in his words so that it will become more powerful, or that he didn't speak in something so that he could have more white power over the black forces power, so he didn't speak some of this negative thoughts into being. So, the concept of speaking the word, we can see in a lot of branches of Christianity where you speak forth the word and it will come, supposedly, come into being. Well God is not a power to be manipulated by our words. He is not a force, a puppet to be conjured at our whim and beckon and calling and bidding.

Chuck:
But what He does want us to do, in all honesty, He does want us to agree with Him. He does want us to speak what He says, but He does not want us to adopt that mentality as if somehow this is a magic wand to create our own world, so to speak, and turn it into a self-serving purpose. That is exactly what has happened, it is the melding of the New Age Movement. Gurus like Tony Robbins and so on, melding all that together with Biblical Christianity and turning it into a massive New Age force of the occult and witchcraft and so on. What an amazing device if Satan could conjure up such a seemingly innocent device to affect untold millions, in fact an entire generation of young people, not just in this country but worldwide. He certainly has done it and he has deceived even the elect, so to speak in this regard, even those who profess the name of Christ. It is utterly amazing. We will look more into that aspect when we get back. Friends, you need to get a copy of this amazing video Harry Potter, Witchcraft Repackaged, Making Evil Look Innocent. Your gift of $20 or more to Save America Ministries will put the video in your hands. If you would prefer to have a DVD format, your gift of $25 or more to Save America Ministries will put it in your hands. Now remember that the DVD has substantially more material in it than the video does. So for the extra $5 it's not just a different format, but a vast additional amount of material. It doesn't mean the video is not meritorious, it is, it's just that the DVD has far more material in it. You make your choice, your gift of $20 for the VHS (the video), the DVD $25. Send your gift to Save America Ministries, P.O. Box 70879, Richmond, VA 23255. If you are writing a check include $3 for postage and handling or give us a call at 1-800-SaveUSA. I want to direct you to our website saveus.org. That is www.saveus.org. This will be made available also on the website along with literally dozens and dozens, in fact I think by this time over 100 items on our web store all categorized to enable you to be able to become strong in the Lord and the power of His might and to protect your families and to prepare the way of the Lord for history's final hour. We'll be right back.

Chuck:
In the last days the scriptures talk about men and women receiving a mark called the mark of the beast. Is there any relationship between the mark that the followers of Harry Potter are urged to take in their foreheads and the mark of the beast? Well that's an interesting question, along with literally dozens of other questions that are posited with regard to the phenomenal growth of the Harry Potter message, yes indeed it is a message. It is not just an innocent fairy tale, there is a message in its madness. People are willing to pay $30 for one children's book of about 900 pages to infect the minds of their children just because everybody else is doing it. Well, if everybody else is getting the mark of the beast, are you going to have your children do it? Are you going to do it? Do you see what a profound power the "everybody's doing it" message has? Even on God's people. Yeah, we are talking with God's people. We are talking with people who profess the name of Christ, pastors, Sunday school teachers. We'll look at that in this last segment of the program here today. Joining us on Viewpoint is Caryl Matrisciana with her amazing video Harry Potter, Witchcraft Repackaged, Making Evil Look Innocent. Caryl, when you think about it, tell us a little about that image that Harry Potter emblazons on the forehead.

Caryl:
Well in the very first book Harry Potter is murdered, well he and his parents are attempted, well his parents are actually killed in the murdering, but Harry survives. The evil Lord Voldemort comes into murder Harry's mom, dad, and Harry, who is a newborn baby, but his mother gives her life for Harry, and in so doing changes Harry's blood with a magical power and the death curse of the evil Lord Voldemort comes onto Harry's forehead and scars him in the formation of a lightening bolt. Now this lightening bolt, the symbology within occult terms, the Lord God Thor, the symbol of lightening, the symbol of power, is the same symbol that Hitler put on the uniform of his Nazi SS officers.

Chuck:
The Swastika,

Caryl:
Well the lightening bolt itself was on the collar of the uniform, and then from an occult term the two lightening bolts put together and criss-crossed forms the Swastika.

Chuck
Amazing.

Caryl:
That power of the evil Lord Voldemort, the death curse that he put on Harry in the form of this lightening bolt, is what hundreds and thousands of children worldwide put on their own foreheads to show their allegiance to Harry, with his spectacles and that lightening bolt, which are little components that are given in many of the books, in book signings and as a free gift that is given away. These are the symbols that are given and kids do that. Here we have the global child, as you mentioned earlier. Harry Potter has been translated in over 50 languages in 200 nations and the global child is given the opportunity of wearing the mark on their own foreheads that Harry wears in allegiance to their hero who is a young witch, who has the death curse. This mark is the death curse given to him by his arch enemy the evil Lord Voldemort, who appears in all the books as a serpent. Harry is able to talk to the serpent, he is able to have the same language that only he and the serpent have. Of course we know who else in the Bible was able to communicate with the serpent, and that brought the downfall of mankind.

Chuck:
Well, the serpent obviously is the symbol of Satan in the scriptures. What concerns me, even if one would argue that the lightening bolt on the forehead is not the mark of the beast, but what it does is normalize this concept of being marked on your forehead as something good, as something honorable, as something evidencing one's allegiance to that which is good.

Caryl:
And of course we know how Satan counterfeits that, because actually in Old Testament scriptures that were a mark that God put on his own people to protect them from evilness. Now we know that in the New Testament there will be a mark of the antichrist in a negative aspect. So, everything that God used as a symbol for good, paganism, Eastern mysticism, occultism uses for their own symbology. More and more it is being passed on through the Harry Potter books where you have to really be able to deal with the layers, because the books come in revelatory layers just as the Bible does, for the reader that can go back again and again and get deeply inspired through the Holy Spirit. The same happens in the Harry Potter books in a negative way, where they get indoctrinated with pagan messages. In fact in book #5 the message that is more articulated, even though it has been running through all the five books, is the message of reincarnation, that surely you will not die.

Chuck:
Well that's the whole idea of the Phoenix bird rising again and it is an occult symbol going all the way back to ancient Egyptian mystery religion. It is used by Free Masons. This is the symbol of the age that we are in leading to the second coming of Christ, isn't it?

Caryl:
Yes it is. The symbology is absolutely incredible. In Harry's world he is surrounded by spirits who appear as ghosts who haven't died, as students who were in the same school as Harry a long time ago that are appearing as guests, as ghosts. The ghosts come out in pictures, there is communication with spirits departed. Harry's parents come back to him and help through his adventures as living spirits. So the whole concept of there being no death is continually furthered, and of course that is the message that Satan the serpent gave to Eve in the garden, that surely you won't die. Even in this book five Harry says at the end when his godfather is killed that surely he will come back, surely he will be able to communicate with me again.

Chuck:
Isn't this the kind of thing that the first King of Israel dealt with? Here God had him anointed King, then he became stubborn, he became rebellious, he refused to agree with God, he wanted to do what he wanted to do.

The prophet Samuel was sent to him and said, "Why is it that you have refused to do what God tells you to do?" And, you know, the King of Israel, Saul, argued with Samuel and said, "But I did, I did." Finally Samuel says to Saul, he says, "Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft." Now it seems that rebellion now is rampant, not just in the world, not just among pagans, but rebellion is rampant even in God's own house Caryl.

Caryl:
Yes it is because people will argue that reading Harry Potter is not reading witchcraft, and what a clever, clever deception. How better for Satan to get into churches and create division and argument in Christian homes than to give the story of a little witch in the school of witchcraft and wizardry learning about occult procedures that are based in actual factual ceremonies and rituals that are being practiced by millions of witches worldwide. Witches today warn that this Harry Potter is giving more credibility and growth to paganism worldwide. What does it take for Christians to see that this is not the way to affect their families?

Chuck:
Well Caryl let's take a look at what happens when the Word of God holds very little authority among His own people in our generation right here in this country, even among pastors and Sunday school teachers. Time Magazine says that those who disagree with what you and I are conveying here do more than defend the books as good, clean fun, they praise them as powerful moral tools. The Catholic News Service run by American Bishops puts the Potter books on its recommended list for children. Ministers preach sermons likening Harry's running through the wall of platform 9 ¾ to a leap of faith. "We are missing something if we can't tell stories, for the Bible is as compelling as Harry Potter." Says John Fleming, minister of First United Methodist in Henrietta, Texas. "They are deeply religious," argues Baylor University Philosophy Professor, Scott Moore, who started by reading the books to his kids and ended up staying up late to finish them himself. "It works as pure Christian allegory," He said. Then perhaps the most surprising appropriation of Rowling's world took place at the Conservative Vanguard Church in Suburban Colorado Springs, Colorado. Housed in an old movie theater the six-year-old church has 11,000 members, including lots of young families. Get this, using Harry Potter to teach Sunday school was the brainchild of the petite young wife of the senior pastor. She said, "Southern Baptists, we're very pragmatic." So the teachers dressed as wizards and the church was entirely decorated with darkened rooms and glow in the dark props and hot dogs renamed goblin fingers. When the kids put on the sorting hat that determines the fate of the young wizards in the book, they were all put in slithering, the home of the evil Voldemort. The way out, they were taught, could only come from following what God teaches. This Sunday school teacher says, "I have never seen children so excited about a church event, just absolutely mesmerized." Well of course, they weren't receiving a slither of God's Word, just an entire meal of Harry Potter's wizardry. Caryl what do you make of this?

Caryl:
Absolutely incredible, and it's all part of what the Lord says, that in the last days there will be an apostasy. That means a falling away, you can't have apostates unless they were at one time true believers. What we are seeing are people falling away using what God hates and absolutely despises to bring people to the Lord. You can almost liken it to prostitutes going out and being involved in prostitution and bringing people to the Lord through prostitution.

Chuck:
Well it's spiritual prostitution, no question about it. A 25-year-old English teacher in Detroit Michigan says, "Our kids are having to make choices now, but they no longer have the fixed moral absolutes of the Bible in their families. Before those choices might have been dictated by church, by family, by community, now you have to face them alone. The choice lies within yourself." So he says, "This is a generation that really needs Harry Potter." Can you believe it my friends? We no longer need Jesus Christ. We no longer need the reviving, restoring, forgiving, regenerating power of the Word of God and His Holy Spirit, we just need Harry Potter from the church house to the White House, in the school house, and God calls it an abomination. What do you call it? What do you call it? Are you in agreement with God or with our culture? Thanks for joining us. A big thank you to Caryl Matrisciana for joining us. You need to get a copy of this amazing video by Caryl Matrisciana, Harry Potter, Witchcraft Repackaged, Making Evil Look Innocent.