Patty:
Okay, so we say good morning to Caryl Matrisciana. Good morning!

Caryl:
Good morning Patty! Thank you so much for having me as your guest this morning.

Patty:
Thank you for joining me so early in the morning. Is the sun up out there yet?

Caryl:
Yes, the sun is just rising over the water and it's absolutely going to be a glorious California morning.

Patty:
Well, you are married to Pat of Jeremiah Films. You won the lawsuit that was going on for so long.

Caryl:
Yes we did.

Patty:
Congratulations on that, you worked hard on that. You have worked some 25 years plus researching the occult. As a young person, actually you were involved in the occult weren't you?

Caryl:
Well, I was actually born and raised in India Patty, so I had first hand, hands on, if you will, knowledge of world religions in action, and certainly saw some of the bizarre aspects of Hinduism and Satanic occult in my everyday growing up experiences. So, in that sense it happened at a very young age, yes, but I personally, myself, did not get involved until I was in my late teens, when I became involved in the New Age Movement. In fact, seductively seduced, if you will, as so many young people today are, not really understanding that I was getting into a different religious world view, or into a world view, because it was just a fashionable thing to do. I think today so many young people get involved in, for instance, just witchcraft without even realizing that there are some dangers involved in certain aspects of the practice.

Patty:
Which leads us to our discussion this morning, Harry Potter, Witchcraft Repackaged. I have just recently been asked for information about Harry Potter, and coming up in November is the next film.

Caryl:
Yes. Film number two, based on book #2. J.K. Rowling, who is a British author who has written four of her seven books, and four are out on the market. We still have another three to come. They were going to be annual gifts to society, but I think the competition, Warner Bros saw that with the films coming out they competed too heavily with the book, and the marketing is essential, not to flood the market with books. Then, of course, in May, the home video market brought Harry Potter into millions of homes across America and the world. That was based on film #1 which, incidentally, Warner Bros said was an accurate portrayal of witchcraft.

Patty:
Well, and it's very interesting that Wicca, witchcraft, is a recognized religion in this country.

Caryl:
Yes it is. It has a tax exempt status. It is recognized by the IRS. Wiccan chaplains are in the military.

Patty:
We have a Wiccan chaplain at one of the prisons here in Wisconsin, not too far from us.

Caryl:
Humm, well you see, there you go. What is very, very interesting about the Harry Potter phenomenon is that while in the 60's so-called religion in the form of the Ten Commandments and the Bible being read in schools was thrown out in classrooms, and yet here we are several decades later where Harry Potter, the first three books, came in as required reading in schools across America. It then got pushed, after a protest, to recommended reading, but it is deeply entrenched in the curriculum in many, many schools across the nation.

Patty:
Well, I understand it is even in libraries of Christian schools.

Caryl:
Well it is certainly in public libraries. One would wonder, I mean the concept of it being in Christian schools is a more worrying trend because Christians are very categorically told in the Biblical perspective of the Bible, not to be involved in witchcraft, and not to do the things that sorcerers and diviners do. The interpretation of omens, astrology, and other ritual magic…..

Patty:
Deuteronomy 18:10-14.

Caryl:
So if Christian schools and Christian libraries hold it, it is more worrying. But the fact that the public schools across the nation are involved in a religious practice to young children who aren't even readers. I mean, it is put out as a reading program, but in actual fact, kids that don't read are given cassettes by Scholastic Inc., who are the publishers, so that they can be indoctrinated in the ways of witchcraft or become desensitized, if you will, to the religious practices of witchcraft which are now coming into the schools and taught at a pre-reading age. I'm not talking about this just being in one school practice just in America, this is a universal, a global child phenomenon where Harry Potter is being translated into over 48 languages, and it has gone into 200 countries. So, the global child is being taught child-friendly witchcraft.

Patty:
Incredible. Well our local paper, Caryl, asked some of the kids around here what they thought of Harry Potter.
"One thing I love about Harry Potter is the depth of the characters, they are really no evil people.

"Even ones that you think are evil might not be, and for once disliking the main character doesn't make someone the bad guy." That from a 17-year-old.

"I liked how the author made up words for spells." A ten-year-old.

"I'm a huge fan of Harry Potter. I like him because I like wizards and magic. Let the magic begin." A ten-year-old.

"I hate that I am a Mugle and not a witch because I would like to make objects fly, see people turn into animals, and fly a broomstick." A ten-year-old.

"I like Harry Potter because he is involved in wizardry."

And it goes on and on. I'm sure you've heard that many times over.

Caryl:
Well I have, and if you look at the letters and see a little girl, or a little person there, doesn't matter what sex they are, but certainly a young child saying "I wish I wasn't a Mugle," now your listeners must understand that a mugle is a non-witch. But, in the next sentence or carrying on in the same sentence, the person says that they wish that they could make objects fly and do the magic that Harry Potter does. Now this isn't the magic that Harry Potter does, this is witchcraft. So here is somebody saying I wish I wasn't a non-witch, I wish I had the power of a witch to be able to do the things. Now realize that in that sentence they are assuming the power is there. Nobody is saying that it is make-up power. They are assuming that the power is real, and so they should. The Bible warns that the power is very real, it is coming from another source outside of a good source. Here we have kids saying that you don't know what's good and you don't know what's bad. Well, this is an immoral book, and J.K. Rowling herself, the British author, has said that she feels that her books are moral. Here we have a new morality being taught, what is good, what is bad, what you think is bad doesn't turn out to be bad, it's really good. So, here are moral lessons steeped in a world view that believes in witchcraft, that teaches witchcraft, as Harry is a little eleven-year-old witch that goes to a thousand-year-old occult school. In fact, the best school in witchcraft and wizardry in Europe, somewhere in England, somewhere in Great Britain presumably. In the book were told that other schools of occultism play games with them coming in from Germany and France. So, here we have actual occult teachers in dark heart who are teaching in Harry Potter's school. They are not only teaching the 300 prestigious students who are children of witches and warlocks that come to the school, but vicariously teaching the reader who is reading the Harry Potter book how to understand the very basics of the craft in book #1, and then #2, #3, and #4. It is packaged as fun, humorously packaged, here you've got one of your readers saying, "I love the words made up." Well actually they are Latin words, they are not made up words, they are Latin words, and it is very important in spell casting to have certain words and the words do mean something. Even in the books the children are taught how to pronounce the words, what emphasis to put on what syllable, and all these are part of the craft of witchcraft being practiced today. I think if parents understood what is happening, they would be up in arms. For instance, if we had a little boy called "Krishnamuti" who comes from India, who has adventures in an Indian temple, in the Temple of Kali, or the Monkey Temple, or the Temples of Snakes, or the Rat Temple, and vicariously through his adventures we are learning about the world view of Hinduism. How to do Yoga, how to be involved in the concepts of Hinduism, how to connect with the gods, talk with the gods, draw down the gods, drink cow urine, how to better yourself, become spiritually better.

Patty:
That's incredible.

Caryl:
You see, I think parents would understand if their children were being taught a religion that they can see, but because this has been packaged as fun and fantasy….

Patty:
Children's fantasy literature.

Caryl:
Yes, but it is not fantasy. It is actually involved in reality. Yes, Harry Potter may be fictional, which is different to fantasy, he may be fictional and some
of the characters may be fictional, but the story line is deeply rooted in spiritual reality and a spiritual religion that exists today and is practiced by hundreds and thousands of people world-wide.

Patty:
Right. Caryl Matrisciana is our guest this morning, and she has got this video Harry Potter, Witchcraft Repackaged, Making Evil Look Innocent. In this video you actually have interviews and footage of witches casting rituals and spells, you answer question. You can order this video today, at a discount I understand Caryl, at 800-897-5080 that's 800-897-5080. That will connect you with Harry Potter, Witchcraft Repackaged. Caryl, in this video, and I have seen the video, it is quite alarming actually. The first time I started to watch it I turned it off, because I was starting to feel uncomfortable with the witches. If this has been okayed by Christians that we are all familiar with Tony Campolo, Chuck Colsen, several Christian magazines, college professors, World Magazine came out for it then changed their position, Connie Neal has written a book The Gospel According to Harry Potter, what do you say to the people who say this is okay?

Caryl:
Well, I think there are two things, perhaps these people don't really understand the seriousness of witchcraft, which is very sad, because if that is the case then they really don't understand the heart of God, because God himself considers witchcraft to be very serious and very dangerous. But, because God is such a loving God, God warns us not to be involved in something that can put us into spiritual danger. So, having the heart of God and going through the scriptures, and it's not only in the Old Testament where he tells us not to be involved in witchcraft. Paul, even in the New Testament, the New Testament church, sees the reality of witchcraft, and when people come into the Christian faith and are truly discipled, along with their discipling, they burn up books that are teaching them about witchcraft and the powers. So, what's happening is either Christians think oh well, that was the yesteryear and it's not important now, which then of course puts the character of God into conflict, because God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. His values don't change. Perhaps the world's values change, and what is happening today, what we're seeing, is we have got neopagan children, we've got Christianity in a post-modern culture, we've got the culture becoming more liberal or sympathetic to pagan religions and paganism, which is growing, aggressively growing, and our children are being proselytized. In fact, if you look in the Harry Potter curriculum in schools and, this is what I did, and I mention this in my film, when I went into websites that the schools suggested going in to, I was actually contacted by witches through the website that children are getting involved in through the school system, where witches are coming back and thanking me for my interest in witchcraft and starting a dialogue with me. I've been researching world religions for 25 years, but young children who are only 7, 8, 9, or 10 years old, computer friendly, going into the internet, going into Wiccan sites, and being taught about Harry Potter or the view on witchcraft through their world view, through their sympathetic world view, it's very dangerous for our children. They are getting confused, and one can see that in the letters that you read out earlier, that they don't know what is good or bad or right or wrong, and the power that millions of witches across the world have.

Patty:
Power really is a big thing these days.

Caryl:
Yes, and I don't blame the children. I mean, here we have children coming from broken homes, broken marriages, life out there which is very confusing, there is a morality which is not based on absolutes. Kids are confused and they want to bring power into their lives. And, of course, Harry Potter has power. Harry Potter by a flick of his wand, by the art of concentration, which is nothing short of Eastern Mystical Yoga and meditation, which is essential to witchcraft. It is given new names, children don't understand that it is rooted in Eastern Mysticism, but here young Harry is told to concentrate and to visualize whatever he wants. He communicates with the dead, his dead parents come back and help him in adventures. There are demons and spirits that live in the school. There are ghosts that come in and interact with the children. The dead come back from the dead in the shapes of animals. So kids are seeing spiritual beings that materialize themselves as animals or ugly figures are friendly and okay, because in Harry's world they are okay.

Patty:
I see this building Caryl, Pokemon and Animorphs, that have been around for a long time.
Caryl:
Exactly, this is a problem that children are becoming desensitized through demon apparitions, then when it's too late, and in the country where I grew up, in India, I saw young adults completely insane and schizophrenic because they had dabbled and then become addicted to the occult and the black arts in seeking magic. They started talking to demonic beings that were actually there with them, and of course you've got that in Harry's world where you have these spirit beings called friendly names, and have humorous personalities. Harry has nightmares, so even if children have nightmares they think, well, Harry has nightmares so it's okay, so they don't see the danger signal. Parents don't see what the problem is, they know that their children's characteristics and personality is changing, but they don't associate the change and the mood swings, fear, and horrors to the reading of Harry Potter.

Patty:
Caryl, are time is flying by this morning. Caryl Matrisciana our guest this morning. She will also be my guest tomorrow morning. We are going to be talking about Halloween. The number for that Harry Potter, Witchcraft Repackaged, Making Evil Look Innocent video is 909-301-1101. You will get a discount if you call and order that today because you heard it on the Peoples Program. Caryl, The Lord of the Rings is out in the theaters, and we just finished the Chronicles of Narnia on Focus on the Family Radio Theater. Some people are comparing Harry Potter with The Lord of the Rings and The Chronicles of Narnia, how do you feel about that?

Caryl:
Well, I think in comparing it to The Lord of the Rings it is absolutely feasible because the same message, in fact, is being taught in Lord of the Rings, that evil, that there are two sides of the other side, if you will, of the power. The power that The Lord of the Rings is talking about, that there is white and dark. The same in Harry Potter, that Harry Potter is the good side of the evil Lord Voldemort, who is his enemy. That is actually the same message as Star Wars, that Luke Skywalker is the good side of the force, where you have Darth Vader on the other side. So, what is happening is there is a desensitizing of world values. We're told in the Bible that there is a good side, at least a side that appears to be good in light, which is the opposite of God. There is God, where there is no variance in God, there is no change in his personality, and there is no evil in Him. He is all good. Then we have another side which is Satan, who appears as an angel of light. He comes to deceive and to destroy and to kill. He appears as a good person, and a light, and a white person. Then the other side of him is what's called Dark Dragon, the Serpent of Old. So we see that there is variance in the power of the other side, and we are told not to be involved in it because it can deceive. Here we have Eve who was a perfect being, made perfect by God, in the Garden of Eden, who was deceived by the other side, appearing as a beautiful form.

Patty:
Sure.

Caryl:
We know that when she talked to the snake, the whole world has taken the consequences of her sin. Now Harry Potter talks to snakes.

Patty:
Wow. Well Caryl, time has just gone way to fast this morning. Again, Caryl Matrisciana our guest this morning. Cult expert, author, and creative person behind Harry Potter, Witchcraft Repackaged, Making Evil Look Innocent, if you would like to get this video and I recommend it. It is very informative and eye opening. 800-897-5080. Caryl you are working on a new website, is that up and running yet?

Patty:
Yes it is, and my name, which is an unusual spelling, is C-a-r-y-l, so all your listeners have to type in is carylmatrisciana.com. They can also buy it off the web page if they would like.

Patty:
Okay, Carylmatrisciana.com, and if you want that spelling you can give me a call. Caryl, looking forward to visiting with you again. Thanks for visiting with us about Harry Potter.

Caryl:
Thank you.

Patty:
Looking forward to Halloween tomorrow.

Caryl:
Thank you so much for having me Patty.

Patty:
Thank you. God bless. Keep up the good work and I'll talk to you in the morning. Have a great day!

Caryl:
Thank you. Bye, bye.

Patty:
Bye, bye.